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#1 Jagdale

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:02 PM

The Jags have focused on the Defense and invested heavily ;

After signing Malik Jackson and Tashaun Gipson, 6 of their 7 draft picks were on Defense including a top 4 of Jalen Ramsey, Myles Jack, Yannick Ngakoue and Sheldon Day.

In the most recent free agency 6 of 7 signings were on Defense including the top three of AJ Bouye, Calais Campbell and Barry Church.

I know we could " always use another pass rusher " and could use another DE and DT.

However, in my opinion, the upcoming draft MUST be all about OFFENSE for the first four picks.

I believe we can definitely get the RG we need in the 2nd round but for picks in rounds 1, 3 and 4 we must get in some order a RB, TE and OT.

I believe this could be accomplished best by trading back to Cleveland at # 12.

What are your thoughts ?

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:06 PM

I see little reason why the Jags won't come away with a guard, a running back and a tight end with three of their first five picks. 



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:15 PM

I see little reason why the Jags won't come away with a guard, a running back and a tight end with three of their first five picks. I agree but my point is that they need RB, OG, TE and OT and they should not get distracted by Defensive Players when the Offense must get better in filling those 4 holes. First 4 picks Offense only.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:23 PM

 

I see little reason why the Jags won't come away with a guard, a running back and a tight end with three of their first five picks.

 

I agree but my point is that they need RB, OG, TE and OT and they should not get distracted by Defensive Players when the Offense must get better in filling those 4 holes. First 4 picks Offense only.

 

 

I think they have to consider the value on the board at each pick.  If there is a defensive player sitting there that they have graded higher than a RB,OG, OT or TE  -- he must be a consideration.  

 

A mid round corner or safety in this draft may turn out to be excellent value even if he only plays on special teams in 2017. We aren't 100% certain about Gipson, Barry Church will be 30 next year, and some quality CB depth will be fairly easy to find.  I wouldn't rule out a pick being used on one of the secondary if the right player falls. 



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:23 PM

I see little reason why the Jags won't come away with a guard, a running back and a tight end with three of their first five picks. 

 

I think I'd add QB to that equation, maybe ahead of TE.



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:24 PM

I think I'd add QB to that equation, maybe ahead of TE.

 

I have my doubts they will actually do it - but I'd be seriously considering a third or fourth round QB if I were part of this F.O. 



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Posted 20 March 2017 - 04:36 PM

We've invested in offense it just hasn't been good investments:

Joeckel
Bortles
Beadles
Beachum
Julius Thomas
Cann (3rd rounder..still has time)
Chris Ivory
Yeldon (2nd rounder..still has time)

At 4 I'd go BAP but this draft needs to be offense heavy especially at the offensive line.

Trade down with Cleveland or NO would be best case to accumulate picks.

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 06:12 PM

Yea last 2 offseasons has been defense, this draft would like to go back to offense 


Edited by J-Mizzal, 20 March 2017 - 06:36 PM.

Jags this is your year

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Posted 20 March 2017 - 06:42 PM

It should be focused on offense but you gotta take value when it comes to you too.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:19 PM

I think they have to consider the value on the board at each pick.  If there is a defensive player sitting there that they have graded higher than a RB,OG, OT or TE  -- he must be a consideration.  
 
A mid round corner or safety in this draft may turn out to be excellent value even if he only plays on special teams in 2017. We aren't 100% certain about Gipson, Barry Church will be 30 next year, and some quality CB depth will be fairly easy to find.  I wouldn't rule out a pick being used on one of the secondary if the right player falls.

If Jags could trade # 4 to Cleveland for #12 and #33 it could look like this ;

# 12 - Leonard Fournette or OJ Howard
# 33 - If Howard above is pick one, then Davin Cook, Christian McCaffrey or Alvin Kamara.
If Fournette is pick one, then David Njoku.
# 35 - Dan Feeney
# 52 - ?
# 68 - ?
# 68 -

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:32 PM

If the Jags can pull off a fair trade with Cleveland, great, but I have a really hard time believing Cleveland spent the last two years gathering all these early round picks just to trade them away.

I do not see it happening.



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:39 PM

If the Jags can pull off a fair trade with Cleveland, great, but I have a really hard time believing Cleveland spent the last two years gathering all these early round picks just to trade them away.

I do not see it happening.

 

To be fair. It is the Browns.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 01:49 PM

If Jags could trade # 4 to Cleveland for #12 and #33 it could look like this ;

# 12 - Leonard Fournette or OJ Howard
# 33 - If Howard above is pick one, then Davin Cook, Christian McCaffrey or Alvin Kamara.
If Fournette is pick one, then David Njoku.
# 35 - Dan Feeney
# 52 - ?
# 68 - ?
# 68 -

 

I don't see Cleveland trading, but that is certainly possible. 

 

A scenario that also includes defensive players could look something like: 

 

#4 Solomon Thomas DL

#35 Dion Dawkins    OG   (if Feeney is gone) 

#68  Bucky Hodges  TE

#110 Wayne Gallman  RB  (or D'Onta Foreman if he's still there)

#148  John Johnson FS - or Xavier Woods SS



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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:08 PM

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Edited by wg171, 21 March 2017 - 04:38 PM.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 02:12 PM

I have my doubts they will actually do it - but I'd be seriously considering a third or fourth round QB if I were part of this F.O.

I'd seriously consider Mahomes in the 2nd if available. I don't want Blake to be handed the starting job. He needs serious competition and should have to earn the job after regressing last year

Edited by wg171, 21 March 2017 - 02:18 PM.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:05 PM

If Jags could trade # 4 to Cleveland for #12 and #33 it could look like this ;

# 12 - Leonard Fournette or OJ Howard
# 33 - If Howard above is pick one, then Davin Cook, Christian McCaffrey or Alvin Kamara.
If Fournette is pick one, then David Njoku.
# 35 - Dan Feeney
# 52 - ?
# 68 - ?
# 68 -


In that scenario, Carolina would pick Fournette.

If he's our guy then we sit and pick.

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:29 PM

If Jags could trade # 4 to Cleveland for #12 and #33 it could look like this ;

# 12 - Leonard Fournette or OJ Howard
# 33 - If Howard above is pick one, then Davin Cook, Christian McCaffrey or Alvin Kamara.
If Fournette is pick one, then David Njoku.
# 35 - Dan Feeney
# 52 - ?
# 68 - ?
# 68 -

#12 - Howard (Fournette off the board)
#33 - Mahomes
#35 - Dawkins
#52 - Mixon (may need to trade up)

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:30 PM

In that scenario, Carolina would pick Fournette.

If he's our guy then we sit and pick.

Agreed

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Posted 21 March 2017 - 03:52 PM

Fix needs in FA. Take BAP in the draft (hopefully at a position of need but not necessarily)

 

 

#12 - Howard (Fournette off the board)
#33 - Mahomes
#35 - Dawkins
#52 - Mixon (may need to trade up)

 

So "fix needs in FA"  -  but then you pick 4 positions of need in the draft?    

 

Your contradiction clearly illustrates the reality of the draft philosophy for most GMs. 

(There will almost certainly be a higher rated prospect at #33 than Mahomes - who may be gone anyway because another team reaches for him in the first)

 

It's about need vs. value for early picks.  No one picks pure "BAP" unless their roster is stacked.  Teams will often take a player with a slightly lower rating that fills a need than one rated slightly higher that is redundant on their roster.  Happens all over the board every year. 

 

Pure BAP drafting is a magic unicorn to all but the best teams with the most complete rosters.

 For the rest of the teams BAP is relegated to the later rounds. 


Edited by NYC4jags, 21 March 2017 - 03:53 PM.


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Posted 21 March 2017 - 04:16 PM

So "fix needs in FA" - but then you pick 4 positions of need in the draft?

Your contradiction clearly illustrates the reality of the draft philosophy for most GMs.
(There will almost certainly be a higher rated prospect at #33 than Mahomes - who may be gone anyway because another team reaches for him in the first)


It's about need vs. value for early picks. No one picks pure "BAP" unless their roster is stacked. Teams will often take a player with a slightly lower rating that fills a need than one rated slightly higher that is redundant on their roster. Happens all over the board every year.

Pure BAP drafting is a magic unicorn to all but the best teams with the most complete rosters.
For the rest of the teams BAP is relegated to the later rounds.

I wouldn't call any of these four a reach where I have them slotted. At least not currently.




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